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sniper · Silver Status Member

i'll keep watching this thread. Twisted Evil

i won't get started,um i'll try not to. Rolling Eyes

california registered "assault gun" owner X-5. Twisted Evil

but i only shoot airguns these days. Rolling Eyes

Mark5043 · Silver Status Member

Joe · New Member

Federal law strictly defines what is a firearm. Airguns are exempt, as are pre-1898 guns, muzzleloaders, etc. A silencer is treated the same as a machine gun or grenade launcher or bazooka(all of which are technically legal).
The ATF is notoriously indecisive when enforcing "laws." I don't know what crazy country you're from, but don't send even an airgun silencer to America. You just might have an extradition treaty to deal with. If you're already here, feel free to silence whatever you want. It's pretty hard to convince a jury that you should go to jail for 10 years/pay $10,000 for silencing a mere BB gun.

Mark5043 · Silver Status Member

donec · Senior Member

sniper · Silver Status Member

what about the tko brake???

Mark5043 · Silver Status Member

sniper · Silver Status Member

mac-1 is selling one similar... to the public...
his family biz is like 70 years old..

i don't/ won't believe he'd break a law.

and... if the mrod isn't "silenced"...then nothing is...

Mark5043 · Silver Status Member

Yeah,I'm sure they must be okay to have,or people wouldn't be selling them.I'm just wondering what the difference is as defined by the law.Perhaps they are designed to destruct during that one shot test the BATF does to determine the 1db sound decrease when the device is attached to a firearm???I don't know.I just find the issue a-little sketchy.I have a tendency to over analyze at times.It's just that when you see some poor bastard going away for 20 years,for something as ridiculous as an AG silencer,it just doesn't sit right with me is all I'm saying.Perhaps you could ask Tim at Mac1 when you pop in next?He knows a-lot more than me on this I'm sure....

jeager106 · Member

Oddly enough I recently had reason to ask the Ohio main BATF a question so I called them by phone.
I've done this before and they have always been willing to answer your questions even if they have to call the A.G. office for an opinion.
I wanted to know if muzzle loaders were considered "firearms".
The answer was NO, but if it is a moder muzzle laoder or what we commonly refer to as an inline fireing mechanisim it is considered by the BATF to be a firearm though you do not need to fill out the yellow form 4473 when you buy one.
A cap lock, or flintlock is NOT a firearm, weather an original antique or replica of an antique, it's still NOT considered a fireamr.
However, in Ohio, ANY muzzle laoder is considered a fiream. Don't matter what the Feds say, your great grandfathers flintlock squirrel gun is a "firearm" in Ohio. So is a replica of a flintlock or cap lock.
Though anyone over 18 (or 21?) can buy a replica cap or flintlock with no paper work, no background check, no nothing, it's still a firearms in Ohio, but and this is strange too, the antique or replica of an antique muzzle loader is NOT defined a destructive device in Ohio.
Go figure.
In South Africa ( I have a pen pal there) ALL air guns are fireams, must be regsistered and licensed PRIOR to buying the thing.
So you can go pay for a break barrel Gamo .22, then and only then, apply for the license to own it which takes months.
There they can and do ask your nieghbors if they feel you should or should not have said airgun.
If only one nieghbor says no, a reason does not have to be given, then you're out your money for the airgun, and the license fees.
Though most shops will return your money they are not obligated to do so.
If you own a firearm (airguns too) you MUST have an approved security system added to your home as well as an approved safe.

Needless to say but over there black powder guns fall under the same draconian laws. In fact you can only own ONE pound of powder at a time, never more than one.
To go to a range and shoot a muzzle loader you CAN NOT take the can of powder with you. You MUST, by law, take pre-weighed charges for the number of rounds you want to shoot.
Thank God and I MEAN THANK GOD, we have the 2nd amendment and never forget we must fight hard to keep it.
Sorry 'bout the rant.
Can't help it.

Jaxom · Senior Member

It was asked early on in this thread when the ATF will go after ag's like the whisper or M-rod. Concidering what we've seen written here occationally by those that admittedly do irresponcible things with thier ag's, and knowing there's probably 10x or more irresponcible ag owners out there in the world this is what I'm thinking will ruin it all for the rest of us....

We've all read threads were someone bragged about taking birds off power lines, or others shooting at squirrels in a nieghbor's tree, or simlar stupid acts.

It'll be one of those idiots shootting at who knows what with no thoughts of what's down range, and somebody get's injured. As a parent of a small child, I can only think the worst situation would be a young child innocently playing in a sand box or toddler pool when they get hit in the side of the head by a pellet from some sob that didn't think about where he was aiming.

Hopefully he will be caught. But the damnage will be done. Our wonder left wing controlled press will make more of an issue about the "silenced" "HIGH POWER" rifle the sob used, then the fact he was just being stupid where he was using it.

Next thing to happen is the lefties will need to write yet another law to protect us from ourselves. Again they will blame the tool and not the opperator. And from then on we will only talk about when we once were able to buy such ag's.

donec · Senior Member

Well said Jaxom. What he said