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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:19 am |
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| broommaster2000 |
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| yourdaddyjoe wrote: |
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.... I got a QB78 and in comparison to the 22xx it's not as flimsy, but a lot harder to get some decent HPA parts for that don't make it look like a paintball gun. .... |
Broom,
Is that a challenge for Bob and me?
Hey Bob, I think Broom's challenging us! |
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:28 am |
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| BBgunNoob |
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| id prob go after the qb78 first 2 |
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:18 am |
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| TimB172 |
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So is a QB78 the same as a Tech Force 78? I almost bought that rifle, but I found out that it is a Chinese import. Like I said in my first post, I didn't want another Chinese gun.
P.S. If you can't tell, I pretty new to the world of airguns. Been shooting for years but only recently started looking at whats on the market these days.  |
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:38 am |
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| broommaster2000 |
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| TimB172 wrote: |
So is a QB78 the same as a Tech Force 78? I almost bought that rifle, but I found out that it is a Chinese import. Like I said in my first post, I didn't want another Chinese gun.
P.S. If you can't tell, I pretty new to the world of airguns. Been shooting for years but only recently started looking at whats on the market these days.  |
Hmmm, you sure are limiting yourself. Except for the 22xx and Benjamin Discovery/Marauder and some pumpers, most of the stuff is either produced in Europe or China. Europe often means more expensive and, American stuff is in my opinion on the same quality level as Chinese guns, with some exceptions towards finish on some models.
Maybe we're going at it from the wrong side, what is your budget, and what do you want to do with the rifle? |
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:21 am |
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I've never had a QB but I know a couple of guys who have tuned them every way from Sunday.... with excellent results.... For maximum performance on HPA, they seem to need a bigger valve.... and the 78 is a safer platform than the 79 because of the Tank Block mounting problems.... Of course the same solutions I used on the 22XXs will work there....
My next project is to learn all about the RWS/Hammerli 850....
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:24 am |
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| AirGunEric |
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| rsterne wrote: |
My next project is to learn all about the RWS/Hammerli 850....
Bob |
Wanna build me an AirSource to 13ci HPA tank connector?
And yes, I know there are a couple people making these already, for anyone who thought they should throw that in! |
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:27 am |
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I'm buying mine from B&A....
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:41 am |
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| yourdaddyjoe |
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get to work Bob, you'll go crazy sitting on your butt...
I think I will join ya 850... Need a .22 repeater...
I'll save the .25 for when Crosman releases the New Maurader... |
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:30 pm |
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| broommaster2000 |
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I can definately recommend those. Realy easy to convert to Bulk fill, including HPA.
I had a pic somewhere... |
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:01 pm |
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| broommaster2000 wrote: |
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So is a QB78 the same as a Tech Force 78? I almost bought that rifle, but I found out that it is a Chinese import. Like I said in my first post, I didn't want another Chinese gun.
P.S. If you can't tell, I pretty new to the world of airguns. Been shooting for years but only recently started looking at whats on the market these days.  |
Hmmm, you sure are limiting yourself. Except for the 22xx and Benjamin Discovery/Marauder and some pumpers, most of the stuff is either produced in Europe or China. Europe often means more expensive and, American stuff is in my opinion on the same quality level as Chinese guns, with some exceptions towards finish on some models.
Maybe we're going at it from the wrong side, what is your budget, and what do you want to do with the rifle? |
Well, I guess I would spend up to 300 on a good rifle if it were one that I just HAVE to have, and what I usually do with air rifles is target shooting. No serious competitions or anything, just plinking. I also enjoy shooting long range. I doubt that this 1760 will reach out to 100 yards in its stock form, but it doesn't matter so much. What I really want out of it is reliability and ease of shooting.
Also, I have no problem with European made guns at all. The only reason I say "no Chinese guns" is because of all of the trouble that I went through messing around with a made-in-china Beeman. I figure if Beeman is willing to put their name on it, then there probably aren't any that are much better. That's just my opinion. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:03 pm |
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| rsterne |
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| if Beeman is willing to put their name on it, then there probably aren't any that are much better |
Unfortunately for Beeman, marketing those cheap Chinese made rifles was likely responsible for their final demise as a company and subsequent sale to BAM.... Now when you see Beeman, you will KNOW you are buying Chinese....
Just as there are huge differences in other products (lathes, heavy equipment, etc.).... there are also big differences in Chinese Airguns.... BAM's better quality (ie more expensive) Clones are pretty good.... and in fact excellent value....
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:52 am |
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| the qb78 has a much nicer stock and its a lot cheaper, if i were to buy one it would be from archer airguns and i would pay for the gold service, which is that they take the riffle shoot it crony it and if there is any problems they fix it before the send it out, if your out for just plinking and target practice and want a good solid well made co2 gun look at the 2400 from crosman i bought mine from the custom shop for 114 with shipping and its beautiful light weight the trigger is extremely nice, and i'm getting 30 high power shots and 50 shots out of a co2 canister before it goes dead on me where i cant hit my target |
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:54 am |
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Well, thanks for the advice, but I already ordered the 1760 the other day. I think that it will do what I want, but of course not having it in my hands yet, it's hard to say. And believe me, there are other guns on my radar. I really like the looks of the Crosman Outdoorsman, and the 2240 pistol. I find the 1077 interesting too, but wouldn't expect great accuracy out of it. And I'm not married to Crosman, if I needed more power I would probably go with a Gamo or spend the extra money on a German made gun who's name I cannot pronounce.  |
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:23 am |
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Well, I sure hope it'll work for you. Maybe we've aimed a bit to high for your needs, but I definately would like to know how it'll work for you, and maybe, just maybe, I'll get another Crosman in the future.  |
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:59 am |
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| TimB172 wrote: |
Well, thanks for the advice, but I already ordered the 1760 the other day. I think that it will do what I want, but of course not having it in my hands yet, it's hard to say. And believe me, there are other guns on my radar. I really like the looks of the Crosman Outdoorsman, and the 2240 pistol. I find the 1077 interesting too, but wouldn't expect great accuracy out of it. And I'm not married to Crosman, if I needed more power I would probably go with a Gamo or spend the extra money on a German made gun who's name I cannot pronounce.  |
I have a Crosman 1760SE and it is the most fun gun to shoot I have when the weather is good and not bad even when the weather is in the low 60's. I also like the looks of the Crosman Outdoorsman but the narrow area at the bottom of the pistol grip where the stock continues kind of scares me as it is very small and looks week. Also the reviews of the Crosman Outdoorsman all seem to agree that the stock is not well finished. |
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