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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:22 pm Reply with quote
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I've also heard of epoxying a coin to the piston, but as you say, the cocking force goes way up. I think I'll quit while I'm ahead.

But check with me next week; I think I said that same thing after my last mod.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:33 pm Reply with quote
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What are you using for piston lube? I have been using moly/graph.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:35 pm Reply with quote
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For the first couple of years I used silicone grease, and was replacing the piston "O" ring every few months. Then I went to this PTFE stuff, and it has been over a year since I had to monkey with it. I haven't tried Moly/graphite in this gun.

The grease came from the hardware store here in town.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:57 pm Reply with quote
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Did you chamfer the intake port?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:57 am Reply with quote
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I didn't chamfer the intake port like you did. Since it has been over a year with this seal, I think I'm in the clear.

I have been inside a number of times:

1. I filled the compartments that don't have mechanical activity with a BB/epoxy mix to balance the red dot sight.
2. I honed the trigger parts, added a couple of shim washers (so the trigger doesn't wobble sideways).
3. The trigger face was pretty slippery, and I had problems with trigger address. That went away when I grooved the trigger face.
4. I had problems with the two rear pins working loose ("hammer" pivot and hammer latch). I made threaded inserts from "T" nuts and epoxied them in place (the pilot holes are already there). Setscrews keep the pins from moving. The lower setscrew has to come up from underneath.
5. My grip extensions have screws coming from inside.
6. I had to replace the valve body "O" rings once.

To anyone else reading this, I would highly suggest taking a picture before working on the innards of this gun. The parts only fit in there one way, but with a picture you'll save time finding what that way is.

Even with the problems that we both have experienced, it is a decent gun for the $40 - $50 they charge these days. Except I paid $15 on clearance at Walmart, which is even decenter.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:53 am Reply with quote
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I agree. It is a very good pistol once it is sorted out. The accuracy
is astouding. Especially in this price range. The two stage trigger
has a very nice feel to it and gets better with wear.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:44 am Reply with quote
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And it is truly a two stage trigger - there is sear engagement across the entire trigger arc. The second stage is marked by a change in geometry ("leverage," if you will). What some manufacturers call "two stages" is actually a hair trigger with a lot of slop before anything happens.

I've never seen the Beeman P3/HW40 up close. I wonder if the extra $150 buys overall better quality, or if you're paying the factory to take care of all those little details.

Anyway, I would recommend it to anyone that wants accuracy, doesn't need lots of power, and who doesn't want to pay a lot.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:35 am Reply with quote
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I think that you are paying the manufacturer to sort out all of the
problems. I have thousands of rounds through mine now. After all
the sorting and fine tunning, it has turned out to be rather dependable
and very consistent.

Yes taking the trigger group and cylinder out of the frame is quite
involved and reassembly even more so, even with photo assist.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:57 pm Reply with quote
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I always remember to heed my own advice about taking pictures - when I go to reassemble.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:29 pm Reply with quote
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I kind of like the challenge of a good basket case some times though.

Why, I remember a basket case 370 Bultaco that was completely
disassembled way back in...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:58 pm Reply with quote
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Slavia wrote:
You were quite right, CW. I bored mine out to 0.125" (a shade over 3mm), and here is what happened:

BEFORE (0.098")
Mean=409 FPS
S.D.=4.84
Min.=401 FPS
Max.=415 FPS

AFTER (0.125")
Mean=414 FPS
S.D.=1.37
Min.=411 FPS
Max.=415 FPS

So as you said, a slight increase in (average) velocity and a noticeable improvement in spread. Going to 4mm (like you did) might give me more velocity, but I'm happy with this as it is.


I recently purchased a P17 and have had it apart a couple of times to check it out and fix the piston o'ring gouging problem. Last night when I had it apart I measured the in and out ports and as well ran an appropriate number drill through them to clean them up. I was thinking of opening up the pellet side to pick up the FPS a little...great info you posted, I now have an idea of how far to go with the port size and what I can expect performance wise. Thanks Cool

Has anyone tried opening up the .089 (that's what mine measures) transfer port on the cylinder side at all?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:58 am Reply with quote
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Open it up and let us know how it goes.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:54 pm Reply with quote
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I think of all the things I tried with this gun, grooving the trigger face was the best. My finger used to slip downwards towards the trigger guard, and now it's easy to pull straight back.

I padded the trigger with duct tape, and clamped it face up in a vise. Then I scraped an 8-32 tap sideways to make the grooves. I clamped a small vise-grip pliers perpendicular to the tap as an edge guide. It takes a little patience to get through the metal plate, but once into the base metal it cuts easily. I cleaned out the grooves with a triangular jeweler's file.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:44 pm Reply with quote
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That's a pretty neat mod Slavia Cool

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:04 pm Reply with quote
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I know i'm diggin up an old post, but would anyone know the piston gasket part number. say in the universal number.... sorry if i'm asking too much
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