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curbcheck101 · New Member

Hey guys new to the forum and airgunning. I've been doing a lot of reaserch for the crosman phantom 1000 and came to realize the velocity wont get much better from stock.

I broke the spring in the Phantom with probably just over 3,000 or so shots not to certain.
I'm in the process of giving it a GTR III triger, debur, Compression chamber hone, lube tune, some piston washers just for a little extra power and for spring torque, and a bronze thrust washer on the sprin guide, OD .772 ID .482 thickness .129. I'm a little worried that this bronze washer isn't going to hold up to the stress of the spring. I had to drill it out to the ID just so i could get it to work. In the process of doing so, I shattered two of the washers. Does anyone think this will hold up, or can anyone direct me to where I can get one that is with in the dimensions of OD.800 ID .480 (Thickness doesn't bother me Just probably nothing thicker than .200)?

I have already been to John Macarri's site looking at his spring guide power spacer. Its an ID .562. Just seems a little to big with my spring guide only being .474 of an inch.

Thanks for listening

kanyon · Silver Status Member

curbcheck101 · New Member

Are you sure with the fact that I broke two of them in the drilling process? Your power spacer is a lot thicker than mine too.

Thanks for the info though.

kanyon · Silver Status Member

curbcheck101 · New Member

I got it from the local hardware store. All I can tell you is they were in the thrust bearing box. I would go to stainless, hardened steel or even copper but I can't find anything localy or on the internet with close enough tolerance.

Alstone · Moderator & Site Supporter

I use naval bronze for thrust washers on a TX200, they do tend to wear a bit over a year, but not enough to alter the settings.

Al

curbcheck101 · New Member

Thanks for the info I guess I'll polish it up and install it. Hopefully everything works out.

rsterne · Moderator

If they are brass, it is not a problem.... If they are "sintered bronze" of the type used in "oilite" bushing they are brittle and unsuitable for that application where you are sustaining what is nearly an impact.... My guess is they will shatter....

"Oilite" sintered bronze are not much more than bronze particles fused together under heat and pressure to create a porous surface that will hold lubricant for bushings and thrust washers.... It is very brittle, and would break when you try and drill it....

Bob

curbcheck101 · New Member

curbcheck101 · New Member

I found a chrome plated steel spacer. I need to drill out the center but it should work out. I'm going to sand off all the chrome on contact points but leave it on the exterior of the spacer. Unless you guys think it will chip away over time.

Thanks for the input. It was very helpful.
I love this forum. Lots of info in here.

Next year or so I might look into custom guides and spring seat..

AirGunEric · Site Admin

There is not alot of room for using alot of spacers inside a Phantom 1000- for the purposes of creating more pre-load, most people use 2-3 plated and polished 1/4" washers behind the front spring guide where they acts as spacers and bushings with no ill effect- any more and you will likely get coil bind- which will also occur if you make ay spacer/thrust washer too long.

If you have a newer Phantom with the rear steel thrust washer (as opposed to the earlier "synthetic" unit)- why replace it? It does its job just fine, polish the spring contact areas and the rear where it sits on the guide and lube it properly.

One thing to remember about standard spring-guns- they are not all that complex, but alot of people have attempted to dream up all sorts of complex mechanics to "improve" them- stick with the basics and you should be fine- otherwise you may spend a great deal of time purchasing snake-oil products and spending untold amounts of time creating parts when an off-the-shelf hardware store item might be just as/more useful.

An interesting set of products are the Vortek kits- which essentially are a deluxe set of guides (for the purposes of removing spring "twang" and eliminating as much vibration as possible) and a custom spring. Using them, however, will not yield "maximum power"- but a good balance of power vs. shootability. There are no Vortek kits for any of the Crosman products, but if you can see pictures of one- you may be able to get an idea of what is being done. Short of this level of complexity however, most "tricks" to try and improve things will only net greater power, or smoother shooting, but not both, over a factory gun.

curbcheck101 · New Member

curbcheck101 · New Member

Well the gun turned out pretty good. Couldn't use a spacer at all. Created spring bind. So a debur, lube and apex seal is going to have to do. Damn chinese guns. There just is no room in this gun for any type of mod, unless you start changing the design.

Thanks for everyones help.

rsterne · Moderator

FWIW, I've never seen a springer where you could put in a .75" spacer.... except some of the detuned Canadian guns.... Rolling Eyes

Bob

curbcheck101 · New Member