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 Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:52 pm |
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| dogsguts |
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Hi everyone. Im taking the step away from all the noise & commotion to air. I do have a cheap .177 break barrel that is 38 years old (had from new) & still fires well but im selling off some big bore burners and have decided to get a better air rifle.
Im keen on either the Diana 56TH in .22 or the Diana 470TH in .22 but for the life of me i cannot google or search info on the real difference to the under cocking style of the 470 against the side cocking of the 56. I have only ever used break barrels.
Im doing nothing in particular with the rifle ..bit of plinking/target etc and will be fitting a scope.
Is there any definable for and against either cocking style ?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:58 pm |
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| broommaster2000 |
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Not really. It's kinda whatever floats your boat. I personally think sidelevers LOOK better but that's just flavour. 
I owned a Diana 48. Pretty good and heavy gun. They're quality guns and don't really need tuning because they're good out of the bawks. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:18 pm |
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| dogsguts |
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| broommaster2000 wrote: |
Not really. It's kinda whatever floats your boat. I personally think sidelevers LOOK better but that's just flavour.
I owned a Diana 48. Pretty good and heavy gun. They're quality guns and don't really need tuning because they're good out of the bawks. |
Ok cheers for that BM. Never having used either i wasn't sure. I agree with the sidelever looking a bit better also. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:25 pm |
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| donec |
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| I don't have much experience with either one, but I have had both and found that my wife had trouble with the underlever due to her short arms and the length from a good hold on the stock and the end of the under lever. However the side lever was a short enough reach for her to have no problem. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:36 pm |
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| dogsguts |
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| donec wrote: |
| I don't have much experience with either one, but I have had both and found that my wife had trouble with the underlever due to her short arms and the length from a good hold on the stock and the end of the under lever. However the side lever was a short enough reach for her to have no problem. |
Tks donec. Operating isnt an issue for me as im 6'4 & 250 with the gorilla's arm gene. All these years ive been waiting to find a use for them and it was there all the time. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:05 pm |
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| AirGunEric |
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I might suggest that before buying a side-lever or under-lever you find someone that has one you can try out. While I like the fact there is no such thing as barrel-breech shifting and no possibility of scope positioning changes as could be possible on a break-barrel- I find side/under levers somewhat inconvenient, especially so as I like to be extra cautious when putting my fingers in holes that have some potential for cutting them off.
Of course, my first experience with an underlever/sidelever was a BAM B3/Industry Brand B-4, so this may have tainted my view from the get-go. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:08 pm |
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| AirGunEric wrote: |
| I like to be extra cautious when putting my fingers in holes that have some potential for cutting them off. |
My Gamo CFX had a rotating breech, so it was safe in that respect. Maybe there are other brands with that kind of breech. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:29 am |
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| kanyon |
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Hi....
Not to long ago I did a tune on a Diana 54...
same action as the 56....
Go for the 54 or 56 the recoiless system has
to be used to be beleaved...It should be law that all guns have it..
as far as the action releasing while loading..there is a 4 stage
lock in the breach ,,the breach has to jump 4 catching claws to close
plus the trigger saftey is put on automaticly when yer cock the lever...
Mate go with the 54/56..yer won't be disapointed...
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:27 am |
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| dogsguts |
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| kanyon wrote: |
Hi....
Not to long ago I did a tune on a Diana 54...
same action as the 56....
Go for the 54 or 56 the recoiless system has
to be used to be beleaved...It should be law that all guns have it..
as far as the action releasing while loading..there is a 4 stage
lock in the breach ,,the breach has to jump 4 catching claws to close
plus the trigger saftey is put on automaticly when yer cock the lever...
Mate go with the 54/56..yer won't be disapointed...
Pete |
Cheers mate. What scope would you put on it ? Also looking for a laser if you have a recommendation.
The one good thing about getting to middle age is being able to afford stuff that you couldn't have dreamed of in the days of paisley shirts & flares ! |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:28 am |
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| Slavia |
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| What scope would you put on it ? Also looking for a laser if you have a recommendation. |
Whatever scope you get I would highly recommend an adjustable objective lens. If you have a burner scope corrected for 100 yards, it won't be too far off at 200. Within the airgun envelope (say, 5 to 100 yards) there is a huge difference and it helps to be able to adjust. AO can also be used as a rangefinder.
For a fixed range in the backyard or basement a simple reticle is fine (eg., duplex). For shooting at variable ranges outdoors I like mil dots. Airgun pellets are slow to begin with and rapidly slow from there, so trajectory is not very flat. The mil dots help you correct for elevation (stadia lines do the same thing).
Some guys use lasers in conjunction with a scope to estimate range.
When you get to the point of worrying about pellet trajectory there is a pretty good (free) software package called Chairgun. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:37 pm |
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| dogsguts |
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| Slavia wrote: |
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| What scope would you put on it ? Also looking for a laser if you have a recommendation. |
Whatever scope you get I would highly recommend an adjustable objective lens. If you have a burner scope corrected for 100 yards, it won't be too far off at 200. Within the airgun envelope (say, 5 to 100 yards) there is a huge difference and it helps to be able to adjust. AO can also be used as a rangefinder.
For a fixed range in the backyard or basement a simple reticle is fine (eg., duplex). For shooting at variable ranges outdoors I like mil dots. Airgun pellets are slow to begin with and rapidly slow from there, so trajectory is not very flat. The mil dots help you correct for elevation (stadia lines do the same thing).
Some guys use lasers in conjunction with a scope to estimate range.
When you get to the point of worrying about pellet trajectory there is a pretty good (free) software package called Chairgun. |
Cheers Slavia, great help...i was looking at objective. I will check the mil dots out. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:49 am |
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| kanyon |
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| dogsguts wrote: |
| kanyon wrote: |
Hi....
Not to long ago I did a tune on a Diana 54...
same action as the 56....
Go for the 54 or 56 the recoiless system has
to be used to be beleaved...It should be law that all guns have it..
as far as the action releasing while loading..there is a 4 stage
lock in the breach ,,the breach has to jump 4 catching claws to close
plus the trigger saftey is put on automaticly when yer cock the lever...
Mate go with the 54/56..yer won't be disapointed...
Pete |
Cheers mate. What scope would you put on it ? Also looking for a laser if you have a recommendation.
The one good thing about getting to middle age is being able to afford stuff that you couldn't have dreamed of in the days of paisley shirts & flares ! |
Leapers 3/9X40AO....would be my choice..
Pete |
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Career Infinity PCP .22
Webley Patriot .25
Hatsan mod 75 .22
Hatsan mod 99 .177 (Quattro & SAS)
Kral underlever .177
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:33 pm |
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| dogsguts |
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| kanyon wrote: |
| dogsguts wrote: |
| kanyon wrote: |
Hi....
Not to long ago I did a tune on a Diana 54...
same action as the 56....
Go for the 54 or 56 the recoiless system has
to be used to be beleaved...It should be law that all guns have it..
as far as the action releasing while loading..there is a 4 stage
lock in the breach ,,the breach has to jump 4 catching claws to close
plus the trigger saftey is put on automaticly when yer cock the lever...
Mate go with the 54/56..yer won't be disapointed...
Pete |
Cheers mate. What scope would you put on it ? Also looking for a laser if you have a recommendation.
The one good thing about getting to middle age is being able to afford stuff that you couldn't have dreamed of in the days of paisley shirts & flares ! |
Leapers 3/9X40AO....would be my choice..
Pete |
Tks Pete. Looks good. |
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