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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:52 am |
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| kanyon |
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Well I have had for a while in all sorts of diffrent flavors..
desided this is the flavor in like the best...
the numbers...
bore/stroke 53mm x170mm
swept volume 345cc
pre filled to 120psi from compresser 3000cc/3lts
compressed 204 times to give 145cc @ 3000psi...
max presure on piston head 12,000psi.
max force pushing piston 44,000psi
32,000psi over/above min requirement.
another week ..i should have a working pump..
If it works as I hope ..I will transfur it on to a
air over hydrulic jack ..so its just push a button..
Pete
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:23 am |
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That's a great idea there Pete.One pump,and your filled up.More time to pack the ice box with bunnies......better stock up on pellets...  |
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:12 am |
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Your getting there Pete.
Your like a dog with a bone when it comes to hydraulics, this could be a very interesting project.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:55 am |
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Let me see if I understand the numbers....
Swept volume = 375 cc (that's what I get using your bore & stroke)
Starting pressure 120 psi (from air compressor)
Ending pressure 3000 psi (204 Bar)
Compression ratio of booster = 3000 / 120 = 25:1
Output volume = 375 / 25 = 15 cc (not 145 cc)
(Using your swept volume of 345 cc it works out to 13.8 cc)
Did I make a mistake somewhere?.... I love the idea and was working on a similar idea for a while using parts from Princess Auto.... Where I ran into the problem was with the valving required because it would take nearly 10 strokes to fill a Disco, even if there was only a 10% pumping loss....
You can purchase pressure boosters that are air operated (120 psi in, 3000 psi out).... but they start at well over $1000.... The cost has to be somewhere....
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:40 pm |
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| rsterne wrote: |
Let me see if I understand the numbers....
Swept volume = 375 cc (that's what I get using your bore & stroke)
Starting pressure 120 psi (from air compressor)
Ending pressure 3000 psi (204 Bar)
Compression ratio of booster = 3000 / 120 = 25:1
Output volume = 375 / 25 = 15 cc (not 145 cc)
(Using your swept volume of 345 cc it works out to 13.8 cc)
Did I make a mistake somewhere?.... I love the idea and was working on a similar idea for a while using parts from Princess Auto.... Where I ran into the problem was with the valving required because it would take nearly 10 strokes to fill a Disco, even if there was only a 10% pumping loss....
You can purchase pressure boosters that are air operated (120 psi in, 3000 psi out).... but they start at well over $1000.... The cost has to be somewhere....
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LOL..No I did...375 is correct
145!... I missed the dot = 14.5cc
The other way I will use it is to boost the pressure
of the argon bottle when it drops to below a useable pressure
hook the argon bottle to it instead of a compresser..
could use a scuba tank as well then yer can use yer bottle
to almost empty....
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:02 pm |
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Cool.
Even if it only pumps 15cc at 3,000psi... it's still quite a bit. What is the capacity of a Disco or Mrod? And how long does a full stroke cycle take? Even a slow stroke is still putting a lot of air in the gun. Might even be effective for a home fill on a SCBA setup... if you had an air purifier to remove all moisture. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:35 pm |
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| rsterne |
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A Disco reservoir is 135 cc.... an MRod reservoir is 215 cc....
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:34 pm |
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That's not bad at all.
Now how long does a pump cycle take, Pete? |
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:58 pm |
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Hi..Now keep in mined you only shoot yer gun down to around half volume/ pressure..So a 215cc res will only require a a 107cc top up
around 6 or 7 stroke cycles...
I have not tryed but would think around 1 minute to do a pump cycle..
Depending how easy it is ...maybe possable to put a crank unit on it
so yer just wined a handle |
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:46 pm |
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| Could you refill a scuba tank with this? |
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:12 pm |
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If I got the math right.... 815 cycles for an 88 cu.ft. 3000 psi tank....
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:05 am |
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| kanyon |
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| rsterne wrote: |
If I got the math right.... 815 cycles for an 88 cu.ft. 3000 psi tank....
Bob |
yer a tank would be a bit ambishus..
but if the tanks not empty/ just a few 100 psi top up its
possable...
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:38 pm |
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Got the mounting flanges done along with
the piston & seal...Seal has a 2* tapper with
the top .5mm larger than the bore bottom
is size for size..there will be a filler plug in the cup
to desplace volume & hold the seal to the piston..
Pete
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