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Air Gun Home Forum Index » General Air Gun Questions and Topics » Lifespan of air rifles Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic    Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:43 am LMR Member Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Posts: 37 Looking at the stats, the CO2 and PCP shoot slower.I like the idea of at least 30 yds for a kill zone. The way todays economy is, I'ld hate to buy a more expensive gun to find out 2 months later the company went under. Are some of these guns more expensive because they are less mass produced? I would think those would go under first due to a lack of demand.   Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:58 am rsterne Moderator Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 2998 Location: Coalmont, BC Quote: PCP shoot slower HUH ?!?.... Even an entry level PCP like a Disco has more power than a Magnum Springer.... Are you thinking about multi-pump pneumatics?.... Bob _________________ Dominion Marksman Silver Shield - 5890 x 6000 in 1976, and downhill ever since! Airsonal: Too many to count!   Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:07 pm Alstone Moderator & Site Supporter Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 4139 Location: Linconshire, ENGLAND LMR wrote: The way todays economy is, I'ld hate to buy a more expensive gun to find out 2 months later the company went under. Are some of these guns more expensive because they are less mass produced? I would think those would go under first due to a lack of demand. You get what you pay for, if you want a rifle made out of pressed tin, plastic and an old fence post then pay your 50$ and buy one. If your after something made with the finest steels, perfect barrels and a stock from quality walnut, then pay your 600$ and be happy for years. I'm not sure where in the world you live but I should imagine north America, where you can get just about any airgun made, so have a look a some of the best quality ones on the market and see the fine craftsmanship, then you will have something to compare against. Quality will always survive against the cheap end of the market. Al _________________   Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:16 pm LMR Member Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Posts: 37 Well,I went back and rechecked the PCP and it does have some benefits(multi shot clips) but I can see myself tiring of recharging the gun.Quick question on the PCP,does the valve on the charge cylinder get finicky like nitrous bottles and crack the seats? I hear you on buying quality items. My point was sometimes they cost more because less is made and they need the profit. I'll have to take a trip to Cabella's and see if I can really notice a difference. And yes there probably is a big difference between a cheap Daisy BB gun and a Diana but how much between something that may cost $250 and another for $400? Although I want a high quality gun,I want to make sure it isn't from grandiosity. Thanx for all the input so far.   Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:25 pm Quack Member Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 25 Location: S. Ontario Not sure how reliable, but Stoeger Model X10 is rated at 1000 fps (.177) and is quite cheap at $130 Canadian. _________________ Quack Kills   Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:56 am broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands Not really reliable. 1000 fps is with light pellets, it's something you'll hear everyone say around here. Speed isn't everything! A Colt 1911 .45 fires it's slugs (depending on weight of the slug) below a 1000 fps but you don't wanna get hit by those and certainly aren't gonna head-butt em back. Lighter slugs will go faster but contain less energy. I'm not much of a burner shooter but I'm sure some of the members here who ARE packing some decent firearms can back this story up with more thorough arguments. I suggest that when you're new to all of this, you'll want to look into ballistics a bit too. _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:38 am LMR Member Joined: 29 Mar 2010 Posts: 37 I look at speed for a criteria of distance.I hope I'm not being unrealistic in wanting a .22 cal. that will have a effective kill range of 30-50 yards. I also was concerned with the noise level. I had thought about a fast .177 but after listening to videos,do not want the sound barrier crackling noise.Lets just say that my past has prohibited me from owning a rim fired .22 and the last thing I would need is to have the neighbors get spooked by me shooting.I just don't need the police sticking their noses into my fun. In my original post,I asked if parts are readily available for most guns.Any more so than others?   Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:24 am broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands Well, like we said, parts availability for Gamo seems to suck. Crosman never seems to run out of parts. I'm not sure about the other brands though. _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:38 pm Quack Member Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 25 Location: S. Ontario broommaster2000 wrote: Not really reliable. 1000 fps is with light pellets, it's something you'll hear everyone say around here. Speed isn't everything! A Colt 1911 .45 fires it's slugs (depending on weight of the slug) below a 1000 fps but you don't wanna get hit by those and certainly aren't gonna head-butt em back. Lighter slugs will go faster but contain less energy. I'm not much of a burner shooter but I'm sure some of the members here who ARE packing some decent firearms can back this story up with more thorough arguments. I suggest that when you're new to all of this, you'll want to look into ballistics a bit too. X10 - 1200 fps with 'alloy' pellets, 1000 fps with lead. A small diameter projectile with a higher velocity will shoot flatter, penetrate further and leave a larger exits wound (vs. entry) and creates hydrostatic shock. While this may not kill instantly, it does kill. Don't get me started on lead vs. steel shot on my 'waterfowl' BB gun. lol Oh, parts...never really had any issues with the Diana's given the amount of usage, some minor 'human' issues and parts were relatively easy to come by. _________________ Quack Kills   Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:44 pm broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands Quack wrote: X10 - 1200 fps with 'alloy' pellets, 1000 fps with lead. The alloy ones won't hit anything, the lead ones will still be light and won't contain energy. You'll want the insta-kill, not the hit-and-wait-kill. Alloy pellets are also over priced, and light pellets are often to cheap and innacurate to be good. <- Speaking from my own experience here! _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:03 pm bobtodrick Member Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Posts: 51 Very seldom does paying more money not get you an increase in quality. Comparing a $100 airgun to a $500 airgun (for example). Firstly, shipping and marketing (advertising) for both will likely be constant. A 6lb airgun costs the same to ship to market regardless of the price of the unit. No airgun manufacturer does a huge amount of advertising...a few major magazines and a website...so the same costs there. Take these into account and your likely looking at less that $20 per unit. The dealer and retailers 'take' will likely be the same percentages no matter the price....say a total combined of 50%. So right off the bat you looking at materials and manufacturing costs of $40 vs $240. Take into account that the manufacturer of the $100 gun will need to factor in the many more replacements (due to the cheap construction)...as high as $10 per gun. So $30 vs $240. So that gun that seems to be 5x more expensive than the cheap gun is probably, in actuality built to a standard of 8x. I've found over the years that whether we're talking cars, stereos, cameras or guns...the cheaply made units may be cost effective if you keep them for a short time only...but if you're looking for something to use for years...possibly to hand down to your kids, spending the extra cash usually pays off.   Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:30 pm Quack Member Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 25 Location: S. Ontario broommaster2000 wrote: You'll want the insta-kill, not the hit-and-wait-kill. Agreed! Never had a problem with the Model 34 though! Now shoot geese in a field or ducks in a marsh... Wait I said don't get me started! bobtodrick- You make an excellent point, you really do get what you pay for and it's probably better to save and purchase an item of better quality if you plan to keep it for a while. However, if you are new to the sport and are just experimenting, then perhaps a 2-3 year investment would be prudent. _________________ Quack Kills   Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:13 am donec Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 836 Location: central Texas Pflugerville area The Stoeger Model X10 is made of all metal, wood stock, rubber butt pad and plastic is used for the cover for the safety, rear sight cover and I think the front sight. The insides are quite smooth and show very little rough edges.   Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:31 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2442 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia donec wrote: The Stoeger Model X10 is made of all metal, wood stock, rubber butt pad and plastic is used for the cover for the safety, rear sight cover and I think the front sight. The insides are quite smooth and show very little rough edges. Accuracy? Actual FPE? Maybe it is a good rifle... noone around here has one. _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:14 pm donec Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 836 Location: central Texas Pflugerville area fritz wrote: donec wrote: The Stoeger Model X10 is made of all metal, wood stock, rubber butt pad and plastic is used for the cover for the safety, rear sight cover and I think the front sight. The insides are quite smooth and show very little rough edges. Accuracy? Actual FPE? Maybe it is a good rifle... noone around here has one. My wife has one but we don't have any of the special equipment you guys use to rate your guns with. That's how I know what it is made of. 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