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Air Gun Home Forum Index » Hunting, Pest Control, Varminting » Using Crow Mags on game other than birds?    View previous topic :: View next topic  Using Crow Mags on game other than birds?   Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:35 pm Lipoly Veteran Member Joined: 06 Dec 2009 Posts: 241 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA I went squirrel hunting about a month ago with crow mags and my RWS 350 .22. I got a squirrel from about 30yards away (first squirrel I've killed/cleaned ). I missed my intended POI (head) and hit the little guy right in the upper spine. It didn't kill him so had to do a follow-up. I figured he must've been paralyzed given how much most squirrels flop if you don't get an insta-kill shot, but he did a backflip when I did the follow-up in the head. When I finished cleaning him I went to dig the pellet out and found that the Crow Mag penetrated the hide, but overall penetration was much less than I had expected(fully buried, but not by much...embedded in spine). See pics below... As you can see the pellet didn't really expand at all. I think the side that is splayed hit the spine bones and broke off like that. To give a reference of where the pellet entered (note that hole is bigger b/c I cut the pellet out). My question is that given birds have no hide to speak of, the crow mags (or other hollow points) do really well and expand nicely. But, I'm wondering if anything w/a hide would do better w/a domed pellet for better penetration. I have a feeling he might've been dead in one shot had the pellet penetrated further. _________________ Philip RWS 350 .22 w/Leapers 4-16x50 Crossman 1377   Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:01 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2444 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia Use some CPH. _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:06 pm BBgunNoob Veteran Member Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Posts: 327 Location: Pa im not 100 percent sure but i believe that domed pellets carry energy much farther not saying that 30 yards is far but at the range domed prob would of been better   Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:41 pm sniper Silver Status Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 3752 Location: Star, Idaho predators. crow mags need to go faster to expand. you're maybe at 600 fps at 30 yards. _________________ I believe in gun control, If there's a gun around I want to be controlling it.......   Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:00 pm Mark5043 Silver Status Member Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 1379 Crow mags are great for the rats though....very satisfying "THWACK".Especially good for those situations where over penetration can damage property etc. _________________   Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:19 pm Lipoly Veteran Member Joined: 06 Dec 2009 Posts: 241 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA I rarely get a shot at a squirrels at less than 25 yards, so I suppose I need to switch pellets. _________________ Philip RWS 350 .22 w/Leapers 4-16x50 Crossman 1377   Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:47 pm donec Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 836 Location: central Texas Pflugerville area fritz wrote: Use some CPH. What is CPH?   Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:49 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2444 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia Find what's accurate, and preferably accurate and cheap. CPH work for me, so do RWS superdomes. The CPH are a very hard alloy that does not deform much at all, making the hollowpoint useless. Still inexpensive and accurate. Never had a squirrel walk a .22 CPH off... Never had a squirrel walk off a .17 Superdome either (of course, when both are properly placed). Those spine shots are my preferred target zone, but you hit too far back. It needs to be up near the head (effectively a headshot). (On headshots- remember that different parts of the brain control different things) To contradict myself, ever so slightly, with a .22 hole in it's head, you can't miss much. _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:29 pm sniper Silver Status Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 3752 Location: Star, Idaho donec wrote: fritz wrote: Use some CPH. What is CPH? crosman premier hollow point. cpm- crosman premier magnum. _________________ I believe in gun control, If there's a gun around I want to be controlling it.......   Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:52 am BBgunNoob Veteran Member Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Posts: 327 Location: Pa sniper wrote: donec wrote: fritz wrote: Use some CPH. What is CPH? crosman premier hollow point. cpm- crosman premier magnum. cheap and good but domestic so ur not paying 12 dollars a tin   Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:42 pm sniper Silver Status Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 3752 Location: Star, Idaho try this. take a crow mag, press the hollowpoint side against yer finger. does it hurt? do the same with a predator. does it hurt? _________________ I believe in gun control, If there's a gun around I want to be controlling it.......   Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:26 pm Lipoly Veteran Member Joined: 06 Dec 2009 Posts: 241 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA sniper wrote: try this. take a crow mag, press the hollowpoint side against yer finger. does it hurt? do the same with a predator. does it hurt? The preds hurt more! I have about 12 different pellet types and have tested about 5 at distance to know that the crow mags are decently accurate...the preds are one I have not tested yet but if they are accurate to 40y then they'll be a keeper no doubt. _________________ Philip RWS 350 .22 w/Leapers 4-16x50 Crossman 1377   Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:07 pm sniper Silver Status Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 3752 Location: Star, Idaho i've killed 2 dozen or so rats with crowmags at 830+ fps in .22 (mrod) and never found one. they just go flying. the only one i ever got in .22 that never twitched was a pred with my b-26 at a modest 630 fps. they penetrate before they expand. it still went through. _________________ I believe in gun control, If there's a gun around I want to be controlling it.......   Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:53 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2444 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia Lipoly wrote: The preds hurt more! LOL _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person. 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