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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:02 am Reply with quote
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Yea, it's a gas spring instead of a metal spring. There is less mass in motion and less rebound. From what I've read, the recoil pulse is shorter and snappier with the gas ram. A pneumatic by comparison has essentially no recoil and no mass in motion. All you are doing is openning a valve and letting air loose. The one thing that makes springers so darn hard to ignore for me is the sheer simplicity of cocking the barrel and shooting. While I like the shooting qualities of a precharged pneumatic much better, it is a drag dealing with the tanks, hoses, fittings, and all the other support crap that they require, not to mention the cost.

One more thing you should probably know is that the listed velocities for all airguns are determined with leadfree pellets and then fudged another 5% or so for good measure. I rifle listed as 1200fps will probably be good for about 850 in real life. I think the .22 nitro does about 650 with 16gr pellets which is till plenty for small game.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:17 pm Reply with quote
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Verado wrote:
This might help you understand a little better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2bSmDzBY3g
That was interesting thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:34 am Reply with quote
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Paul Capello, guy that tests airguns for Pyramyd Air tested an NPSS, he used the 14.3 grain Exact Jumbo Express...10 shot avg. was 654 fps, with 15.2 FPE...... Like the man said, that's plenty to hunt small game with.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:56 pm Reply with quote
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Is there a gun out there that will shook 1000 plus FPS with out spending $500?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:51 am Reply with quote
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Yes there are.....BUT only if you use that PBA ammo, and from what I 've read about it, most airgun guys give the PBA stuff "two thumbs down"If I'm not mistaken PBA weighs like 4-5 gr. so naturally higher fps 's are possible.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:45 pm Reply with quote
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Buck Buck Down wrote:
Is there a gun out there that will shook 1000 plus FPS with out spending $500?


It's hard for someone new to have any real perspective because of all the numbers that get tossed around. You will notice that most the guys here speak in term of FPE rather than FPS. That is because the velocity numbers can be skewed all over the place depending on pellet weight. FPE is a measure of the actual "power" that the gun has. For a hunting gun you must use a reasonable weight pellet to get that power. That's one reason that people favor the .22 over .177. There are lots of guns today shooting in the neighborhood of 30FPE so the tendency is to look at lower numbers as weak. When I was a kid the neighbor boy had a big Crosman pneumatic, can't remember the model, but it was .22 cal, and shot around 650fps. Just like the NPSS. We considered that thing an elephant gun! I can't tell you how many rabbits bit the dust with that rifle. My model 760 .177 was shooting probably around 750fps and I needed head shots for a clean kill. 40 years ago the 760 was a pretty hot gun too. It got detuned in later years. Mine could take up to 20 pumps.

Point is, 15FPE isn't a cannon, but it is just as capable of killing small game as a 30 FPE gun. Dead is dead. The main limitaion will be the effective range, and you probably shouldn't chase bigger game like raccoons with it. If you want a 30 FPE gun you need to look at something like a Marauder, but total cost would be around $750
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:28 am Reply with quote
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The 2010 Crosman Trial NP XL 1100 is boasting 30 FPE! What makes that gun different from the regular trial np? Is the gas spring stiffer? They seem to be cosmetically the same gun. I can't imagine they could give it a larger swept air volume with the same receiver can they? I was just wondering because if someone can figure out the secret they could be able to buy the Crosman Titan GP from Wal-Mart and upgrade it to a Trail NP XL 1100. There are lots of companies online that sell gas springs and if the specs of the springs can be obtained then it would not be hard to find a suitable gas spring for the mod. If the gas springs just so happened to be the same spring filled with different volumes of gas than a replacement part for the XL 1100 could be ordered and installed in a regular NPSS upgrading it right?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:49 pm Reply with quote
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I have a Benjamin (Crossman correct?) Trail NP XL. It is physically a large gun. Almost 10 pounds. I am 6'5" so it is comfortable for me but some of my friends think its a little heavy. I like it a lot. When I got the gun, I only haphazardly sighted in the scope that it came with and I was able to hit beer cans 200-300 feet away with satisfactory regularity.

I tried going squirreling at my friends house and found that the supplied scope was difficult to use on moving targets with variable range. Since the bull barrel does not have front sights on it, I replaced the scope with a red dot sight from NcSTAR and it is working pretty well. I need to sight it in better though.

It seems to like heavier pellets. I found that the Beeman Kodiac / H&N Barracuda 21.14 grain domed pellets shoot the best for me at least. The 13 and 16 grain pellets seem to make the gun smoke (diesel?) pretty badly.

(Picture of the Trail NP XL with the NcSTAR red dot sight)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:26 am Reply with quote
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Pretty impressive.

Rifles like that should always be shot with heavy pellets. Light pellets cause, as you said, slow burn and dieseling. It's also not very good for your piston seal.

Not sure if I'd put a red dot on a rifle like that but if it works for you, I'm not complaining. Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:11 am Reply with quote
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broommaster2000 wrote:
Pretty impressive.

Rifles like that should always be shot with heavy pellets. Light pellets cause, as you said, slow burn and dieseling. It's also not very good for your piston seal.

Not sure if I'd put a red dot on a rifle like that but if it works for you, I'm not complaining. Mr. Green


The Trail NP XL was my first major air gun purchase so I am pretty new to this stuff. Is there some option that would work for this gun to easily put open sights on it? The red dot was only $30 and was pretty good quality (especially for only $30) so I think I will try and stick with it for a bit unless it is real easy to put open sights on it.

Here's a link to the red dot I used.
http://amzn.com/B003G321A0
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:30 am Reply with quote
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JustMatt wrote:

The Trail NP XL was my first major air gun purchase so I am pretty new to this stuff. Is there some option that would work for this gun to easily put open sights on it? The red dot was only $30 and was pretty good quality (especially for only $30) so I think I will try and stick with it for a bit unless it is real easy to put open sights on it.

Here's a link to the red dot I used.
http://amzn.com/B003G321A0


Hey, if it's an experiment with good results, it's always worth the effort! Mr. Green

I'm in the process of building (letting someone else build) a front sight for a PCP that also doesn't come with open sights. You can get rear sights without to much trouble for an airgun, but it's harder to build a front sight for one, in my opinion.

Will be posting a report in the future when I 'git it done'.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:46 pm Reply with quote
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This might be a little late but Crosman NPSS is made in China the Remington NPSS is made by Crosman in NY USA. Same Gun Better made here. TFG

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