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Air Gun Home Forum Index » Optics » Help with a scope    View previous topic :: View next topic  Help with a scope   Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:42 am alphakilla Veteran Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 121 Location: Commonwealth of Virginia I am need of a scope with "AO". I'm on a tight budget and I need your opinions. I have been searching and I have narrowed it down to 2 scopes. That Tasco is affordable for me and, the Barska is at the very end of the line of my budget. I know they're not great scopes but, which would be the better choice? http://www.opticsplanet.net/tasco-3-9x44-titan.html OR: http://www.barska.com/ac10008.html _________________ Beeman 1073 Sportsman .177/.22 dual caliber Don't need a new scope yet   Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:44 am alphakilla Veteran Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 121 Location: Commonwealth of Virginia I didn't know I could focus my "Daisy PowerLine" 3-9x32 non-AO scope but, when I did, I started hitting bullseyes right away . What can I say, I don't know much about scopes but, today I learned a little. That's what it's all about, livin' and learnin' . _________________ Beeman 1073 Sportsman .177/.22 dual caliber   Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:21 pm broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands Well, to comment on your earlier questions, Barska does make pretty good scopes, for budget shooters. I don't own one myself, but the ones I've seen and looked trough weren't bad at all. _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:20 pm Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA The Tasco scope is pictured with mounts, but I couldn't find anything in writing that said they were included. You might want to check on that. The Barska has a mil dot reticle, which is nice for shooting at various (and longer) ranges. The Tasco has a 30/30 reticle, which means the thin parts of the crosshairs span 30" at 100 yards (an angle of 30 minutes of one degree, or 30 M.O.A.). I like the mil dots, but not for that difference in price. You can learn to use either reticle effectively. When you say you focused your Daisy scope, do you mean you adjusted the rear (ocular) lens, or the front (objective) lens? _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:19 pm alphakilla Veteran Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 121 Location: Commonwealth of Virginia Slavia wrote: The Tasco scope is pictured with mounts, but I couldn't find anything in writing that said they were included. You might want to check on that. The Barska has a mil dot reticle, which is nice for shooting at various (and longer) ranges. The Tasco has a 30/30 reticle, which means the thin parts of the crosshairs span 30" at 100 yards (an angle of 30 minutes of one degree, or 30 M.O.A.). I like the mil dots, but not for that difference in price. You can learn to use either reticle effectively. When you say you focused your Daisy scope, do you mean you adjusted the rear (ocular) lens, or the front (objective) lens? The ocular lens. I can adjust the objective lens, too? I obviously have a lot to learn _________________ Beeman 1073 Sportsman .177/.22 dual caliber   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:46 am Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA Quote: I can adjust the objective lens, too? Probably, but not easily. You would need to make a special tool, which (if you're lucky) will only scratch the heck out of the area near the lens. If you're unlucky you trash the lens. AO scopes are a much better idea. Parallax error happens when the reticle and image are not both in focus. The ocular adjustment is to bring the reticle into clear focus. If you have AO, you set it so the image is also in focus. If not, then there is only one distance "X" where the fixed objective will focus. That's what they mean when they say "parallax corrected for "X" yards. You know how with binoculars or cameras it only takes a little adjustment to go from 100 to 200 yards, but to go from 20 to 50 yards requires massive adjustment? A scope parallax corrected for 100 yards won't be too far off at 150 or 200. An airgun scope corrected for 50 yards can be way off at other ranges within the airgun envelope. AO is beautiful. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:07 am fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2442 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia So by adjusting the objective lens you can change POI? _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:44 am Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA Quote: So by adjusting the objective lens you can change POI? Yes, but by accident. If the image and reticle are not both in exact focus for a given range (focal point on the same plane), the point of aim will shift around as you move your head. So, unless your head position is absolutely consistent from shot to shot, the point of aim (and therefore P.O.I.) will move. Like I said, shooting a deer rifle at 100,150, or 200 yards there won't be a lot of difference. Shooting at airgun ranges it's a big deal. You can see what I mean if you rest your gun with the scope aimed at a visible reference point. Look through the scope and move just your head. If the scope is "parallax corrected" for that range, the crosshairs will stay on the same spot. If not, they move around. These guys call it the "head bop": http://www.yarners.org.uk/Scope%20Parallax.htm Another use for AO is range estimation. You bring the objective lens into focus and note the range, which will help you compensate for pellet drop. Field target guys have those big side wheels so they can spread out the calibration marks. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:40 pm fritz Silver Status Member Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 2442 Location: New Jersey- outside of Philadelphia I really think "field target" has lost its roots as an art of hunting. Who the hell actually sits like that in the middle of the woods or in a field? Only time I'm ever in that position is when up against a tree. _________________ "I never set out to be wierd, it was always everyone else who called me it" -Frank Zappa Speed is impressive, accuracy is deadly. It's not that I'm not a people person, it's just that I'm not a stupid people person.   Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:54 pm packrat Senior Member Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 882 Location: Out in the woods...Ellabell, GA. Dang !! Slavia, you just taught me more about scopes than I knew from all the stuff I've heard and read..Very helpful, at least to me...Thanks ! _________________ HEY !! This getting old thing is NOT for sissies...   Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:22 am alphakilla Veteran Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 121 Location: Commonwealth of Virginia Thanks, guys. I ordered the Barska but, I sent it back because I didn't need it. I can see clearly out my Daisy Powerline now. I've learned that as long as I get my target as sharp as I can(in my scope), I can hit the target. _________________ Beeman 1073 Sportsman .177/.22 dual caliber Help with a scope     Air Gun Home Forum Index » Optics You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum All times are GMT - 5 Hours   Page 1 of 1   All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First  Select a forum Main Forums----------------AirGunHome Q&AGeneral Air Gun Questions and TopicsPicture GalleryTarget Shooting: Casual, Fun and CompetitionHunting, Pest Control, Varminting People/Events/Airgun Issue Discussion----------------Introduce YourselfThe BS TopicClubs/Events/Regional/Political Airgun Issues Maintenance, Modification and Reviews----------------RiflesPistolsAntique, Collector and Novelty AirgunsBB GunsPellets/AmmoOpticsAccessoriesAirgun Smithing Buy, Sell or Trade Forums----------------For SaleWant to Buy   Note: If you are seeing "Please enter your username and password to log in." 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