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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:46 am |
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| kanyon |
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Can't take total credit for this idea....
A guy on another forum got me thinking...
Idea -
Have a pressure chamber hooked up to the gun then
pump hyd oil in to it from a hand porter power pump
to desplace the air and increase the pressure...
Chamber would need to sit up right so the oil enters
the bottom & air exits from the top ...have a traveling piston style separater or blader to stop any oil vapor entering the gun...
If the oil entering is slow enough there should be very little
oil /air mixing...
You could also use a air-over-hyd pnumatic porter power pump
then you could pre pump the chamber to 120 psi to give a start
pressure / volume off 6 att from the compresser...
Good / bad or am I being silly ???
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:19 am |
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Hi Kanyon what do you want deleting both?
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:21 am |
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| Alstone wrote: |
Hi Kanyon what do you want deleting both?
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2nd one "quote" |
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:23 am |
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There you go.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:31 am |
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| kanyon wrote: |
Can't take total credit for this idea....
A guy on another forum got me thinking...
Idea -
Have a pressure chamber hooked up to the gun then
pump hyd oil in to it from a hand porter power pump
to desplace the air and increase the pressure...
Chamber would need to sit up right so the oil enters
the bottom & air exits from the top ...have a traveling piston style separater or blader to stop any oil vapor entering the gun...
If the oil entering is slow enough there should be very little
oil /air mixing...
You could also use a air-over-hyd pnumatic porter power pump
then you could pre pump the chamber to 120 psi to give a start
pressure / volume off 6 att from the compresser...
Good / bad or am I being silly ???
Pete |
What’s the max pressure you can get to using a hydraulic pump?
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:36 am |
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| A small hand unit will easly pump 5000 psi |
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:53 am |
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As to my reckoning you need roughly 115.2 cubic inches of air compressed into one cubic inch to give a pressure of 3000 psi, so with a 5000 psi pump it should be possible, but I not sure how many pumps it would require. It’s a bit early in the day to work that one out.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:01 am |
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Added to the above is the thought that for a 16 cubic inch reciver it would be 16 x the number of pumps?
You certainly like your hydraulic engineering Pete, I've tried the same with steam but all I get is silly figure's.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:23 pm |
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| Alstone wrote: |
Added to the above is the thought that for a 16 cubic inch reciver it would be 16 x the number of pumps?
You certainly like your hydraulic engineering Pete, I've tried the same with steam but all I get is silly figure's.
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LOL...I spend a lot of time designing / building food & wine processing
gear that has to be able to be washed down....So hyd drives
from remote pumps are the safest way compaired to electric motors
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:08 pm |
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:47 am |
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I've got a 20 ton hydraulic wood splitter that sits around for about 50 weeks a year. Was thinking of making up a pnumatic cylinder that the hydraulic cylinder would activate. IIt's not much past the thinking
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:37 pm |
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Hi badshot, welcome to AirGunHome
A 20 ton press as plenty of power as you only need 1.5 tons per square inch to compress one cubic inch of air to 3000 lb sq/in (200) bar, the problem is that to obtain one cubic inch of air compressed to 3000 lb sq/in you would have to do this 115 times, and if the air receiver on the air rifle had a capacity of 16 cubic inches ( which is about standard ), it would take 1840 press cycles.
So to be practical using a 20 ton press you would need a compression cylinder of 4” dia x 15" in length capable of withstanding 3000psi pressure, if this was mounted beneath the press and you had a stroke length of 15” it would take 16 full press strokes to fill a 16 cubic inch air receiver to 3000 psi.
Hardly worth the effort unless you already have a cylinder, the press as a stroke length of 15” and it’s power driven, what ever you do take care 3000psi of air is lethal.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:37 am |
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Hi....my figgers say that I need a compression chamber of 15lts..
to fill a 500cc gun to 3000psi... a old Hyd ram
of 20lts internal volume..The piston head could act as a oil/air separator
to stop any oil vapor entering the gun hopefuly....
If I didn't have free argon to fill my guns with I would look
a bit harder at system.....
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