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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:56 pm |
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:07 am |
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| it's worth it. Kind of like polishing a diamond... |
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:15 pm |
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Would anybody have any pics of their gas ram installation, how you did it, any tips or tricks-of-the-trade you might share? I would really appreciate hearing from you!
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:33 am |
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| polyo |
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Just modded my Phantom and she really cracks now! One shot went 3/4's the way through a 2x4.
However groupings don't seem not as tight anymore.
Can anyone relate their experience as to accuracy after modding the Phanton 500 .22
My Mod: Piston - 49mm cut off
Lube - Moly on piston and silicone lube in receiver
Also added Harris bipod and mildot scope.
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:25 am |
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| AirGunEric |
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Try using another type/brand of pellets and see what happens. Don't use super-light pellets now that the output has increased. The power increase alone did not affect the barrel in any way- right? Therefore it must be the pellet's reaction to the increased velocity and air. Either that, or you may have had more wind to deal with after the tune-up was done than beforehand.
The other option is, of course, that you are not yet accustomed to the increased recoil- so try adjusting your hold. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:39 pm |
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| Thanks, on next low-wind day I'll try that out. I suspect my grip is the culprit as I use my non-trigger hand under the butte for maximum stability when aiming while using bipod. (in both prone & bench top positions) |
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:07 pm |
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IMPORTANT!!!!
The Phantom 500 available at Canadian WalMarts as of June 2010, is NOT adaptable by this method, as the piston is already the same as the 1000 piston! By cutting it, you will NOT have the necessary clearance to extend the channel, as it is already up to the seal!
In short, you won't be able to close the rifle and therefore it becomes unusable.
I believe it is the spring that is weaker in these rifles so as to make the 495 fps rating as there is nothing else than can be modified.
This was an expensive lesson for me to learn, so DO NOT DO THIS MOD IF YOUR RIFLE IS NEWER THAN JUNE 2010 IN CANADA! |
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:56 pm |
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| CrossmanInstructor21 wrote: |
IMPORTANT!!!!......
I believe it is the spring that is weaker in these rifles so as to make the 495 fps rating as there is nothing else than can be modified.
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I'm not sure if CI21 attempted to cut down the standard piston, it isn't clear from his post. Anyhow,
there are 2 ways Crosman (or their manufacturer in China) have used to detune the Phantom/Quest/Classic for the Canadian <500fps market. One is to use the extra long piston with a weaker spring, the other is to provide a "bleed" a hole in the end of the standard piston, and use a weaker spring. Ckeck to see if your piston has a drilled "bleed' hole in it. If it does and you want to bring up the power, find a way to plug the hole (drill, tap and add setscrew with red locktite, weld, etc. With the usual caveat... do not do this if you don't have a PAL.
http://www.airgunhome.com/agforum/viewtopic.php?t=5934 |
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:41 pm |
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Try completely removing the bipod. They talk about the "artillery hold" with springers, where you hold it as lightly as possible and let it rock in your hands. The bipod could be rigid enough to prevent the gun from moving (sandbags can have the same effect).
I had a similar bipod on my Crosman G1 (although mounted on a sling swivel stud under the stock). I wasn't happy with the gun's accuracy until I went to a Ram-Line plastic clamp-on bipod. It's essentially a glorified clothespin that clamps on the barrel just ahead of the breech block. That one works for me, maybe because it is wimpy and wobbly:
http://www.ram-line.com/acc.aspx
If you really, really like the current setup, another thing to try is changing the position of the bipod on the barrel. It could be interacting with the barrel's vibrations. You probably can't go backwards (not enough clearance with the stock to cock it), but try moving it forward 1mm at a time and check your groups. |
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:05 pm |
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At the time this topic was current (2007/2008) it was accurate. As mentioned, there are a couple detuning methods now in use- longer piston and vented piston.
On all "versions", the .177- both the piston and the spring have been modified from the '1000' version. In .22, only the piston has been modified.
I am unclear how CrossmanInstructor21 had an expensive lesson here? Did you take a shortened piston and shorten it some more? If you got the information on this here- the very first post states the piston lengths that were used- so this could have been avoided. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:40 pm |
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| AirGunEric wrote: |
The top piston is the one from the Phantom 500, the other is a brand-new Quest 1000 piston from Crosman. The difference is pretty obvious. The 500 piston is 143mm in length, the 1000 is 193mm- so 50mm shorter on the 1000 piston, or almost exactly 2" (inches).
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If you read good it says that the 500 piston is 143mm
and the 1000 is ...........................................193mm
I didn't realized it the first time I red the post.
I measured my piston, it was 143mm, than cut it by 2 inches.
I found it to be quite short, so I thought there was something wrong. After a second inspection I noticed the hole on top of the piston.
I went back here, red the entire tread this time and voila.
My piston is now useless as it is about 95mm long. I'll have to order a new one. That why the other poster said it was a costly mistake. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:01 am |
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| GuitarMan wrote: |
If you read good it says that the 500 piston is 143mm
and the 1000 is ...........................................193mm
I didn't realized it the first time I red the post.
I measured my piston, it was 143mm, than cut it by 2 inches.
I found it to be quite short, so I thought there was something wrong. After a second inspection I noticed the hole on top of the piston.
I went back here, red the entire tread this time and voila. |
You are correct, there was a typo and the numbers were reversed in the original post (the labels on the picture were correct). Not sure why no one noticed it previously. |
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:26 pm |
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| Thannks to all who posted here. I bought a Phantom 177 and did a tune from the information on this thread. All went well for me as I just cleaned up the gun and relubed it. On the piston I have the short one with the hole in it which I thereaded and can now put in a set screw if I want to make it a pal gun. Iwish I had bought the 22 but there wasn't one available at the time now I will probably own two Phantoms soon. |
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:27 am |
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I just picked up a phantom 500 at walmart and it does have the exact piston as the 1000 and yes there is a bleed hole in the end of the piston to let the right amount of air out to keep it under 500fps. I took a drill bit slightly bigger than the tiny air bleed hole and drilled just a tiny way in to create a funnel effect. Then I filled the funnel hole with j and b manifold crack sealer that can seal 3000psi of pressure and pushed it into the funnel/slash hole with a butter knife until I noticed a tiny bit off sealer coming through the underside of the piston head with a flash light. This was performed with the seal removed and the entire piston degreased with pro brake cleaner
Now it has a true 1000 piston in it. The spring also is still a thinner wire coil but 1000 length . Can someone refer me to a stronger aftermarket spring with matching ID or just a high performance after market spring that has matching od spring guides(top hats) designed for 1000 quest or same compression tube size models.
I just don't know any of the high end after market high pressure spring names or manufacturers or sites to order them.
Will keep you posted when I find a strong spring.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:47 am |
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