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chuckles · Member

oh im sure its illegal in some for or another to shoot a bb/pellet gun in city limits here too but as you said i doubht that the police drive around looking for people with pellet guns to arrest. Also i live next to a flood wall protecting my town from the OHIO river...so i can just go and shoot towards that making is fairly safe for those around me. I just worry about noise if i use it at night to chase off a coon or stray animal.

cw · Banned

Sounds like you need a Talon SS. They are quiet and
can be made whisper quiet. My friend has one in .22
caliber and it has more than enough knock down power
for coons. Very good hunting machine.

CW

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

Springers are quieter than a Talonss, despite all the hooplah.

Slavia · Moderator

thepaladin · Senior Member

I got back into airguns larglely because I could shoot in the back yard legaly. I have one pumper (the Daisy 22) and it's a pretty good one. BUT, as you've been out of the loop for a while, let me suggest you try a "good" springer. You'll have to learn the hold as they like a light touch, but if you plan to do anything where you'd hate the long delay and clacking noise of a pumper (like varmint or small game hunting) a springer is maybe the way to go. You could even try one of the newer co2 rifles (like the RWS 850), good for hunting or targets. My point is since you're sort of "new by coming back" go slow and look around.

Pelletor · New Member

Hello Everyone,

I'm a newbie here too and saw this topic and thought to post my comments and questions here as well. If this is considered “high jacking” this thread then I hope the moderators will move it to the proper place.

I gotta say this is a most impressive forum with what seems to be knowledgeable, kind and experienced people. The moderation looks good here too.

OK....I have a 4 year old ( approx) Crosmen 2100 that has become very difficult to pump past 5 pumps.. I have lubed all the obvious places the manual mentions ( pump pivot pins and the oil retainer with light household oil not having any of the “Pellgunoil” it recommends ) and the accuracy has gone out the window now too.

Some questions:
1.) Why has it become difficult to pump now?
2.)Is this sudden lack of accuracy connected to the pumping issue?

Now I wear bifocal glasses and using the stock iron sights has become more difficult but I was doing OK with them until recently. Thinking it was the bifocals I bought an inexpensive ( read cheap) 4X Daisy scope for it and the shots are all over the place.

Shooting at 30 feet (~ 10 meters) the spread is about 4”-6” ( 10-15 cm) horrible! ( I made targets, printed them out and tried adjusting the scope......it has been an awful process! I came on line seeking info and found this great site. I've mostly only used .177 BB's but have lead pellets that I have not tried since this recent "change".

My dad gave me a .22 firearm rifle when I was a kid and I had a Daisy Lever Action BB gun too. I was a great shot with them both and that carried over to my tour in the Army where I shot “Expert” with a number of weapons. It seems that is no longer the case! ( I am, however, still pretty good with my home made blow gun Mr. Green

)

I still have that .22 rifle and the cleaning kits too. So I made a wire cleaning rod to fit the 2100 and used some of the .22 patches to wipe the bore several times with a dry patch as I read here somewhere. It was dirty but still no joy!

I hate to give up on this rifle so I wanted to ask for any advice some of you may have in this form.

I like the idea of a rifled barrel and the “springer” concept as well but know next to nothing about them ( was my Daisy Lever Action a “springer”?) and the CO2 powered guns sound great but don 't care much for the added expense and inconvenience of the small cylinders. The modification of a paint ball cylinder concept I read somewhere in this form sounds like an interesting mod however.

Thanks in advance for any help,

Pelletor

thepaladin · Senior Member

I don't know why you'd be having the problem with your 2100. I only own one pumper now and it's a Daisy 22 SG. I moved away from pumpers as i got back into air guns. You might just try getting back with Crosman, though for a $60 rifle, I wouldn't put too much into it.

If you're just shooting back yard targets there are a lot of good rifles out there. I enjoy co2 repeaters for that, but my hunting springers are good for it too. What do you plan on doing mostly with your rifle? That will mostly decide which way you want to go.

AirGunEric · Site Admin

You did kind of 'jack the topic- but we cannot move separate posts out- only edit or delete them (this is a software limitation here- one day we may look into another option).

In any event- a 2100 getting hard to pump at 5 pumps is a problem- you should be able to pump it 15 or more times before it gets really difficult. How tight are the first 2 or so pumps?

The accuracy problem may indeed be related to the pumping issue- inconsistent air pressure pushing the pellet on each shot.

Look here: http://www.crosman.com/2004/pdf/manuals/crosman/2100/C2100-EVP.pdf

The diagram is a bit funky and misleading for ordering parts relating to the pump and valve assemblies- but your problem will likely be in/around parts group numbers 2200E018 (pump assembly) and 2200H021 (valve assembly). Specifically, parts #760-140 pump cup seal, #2200A035 o-ring, #130-034 o-ring may have dried out and broken up a bit- throwing residue/chunks into the process causing hard pumping once pressure starts to build, and inaccurate shooting do to the inconsistent pressure in the valve.

Basically, you're going to have to take the thing apart to figure it out- which, as thepaladin sort-of indicated, may not be your thing. Fortunately, the 2100 is not a particularly expensive gun if you decide not to look at repairing it and the current 2100 is pretty much identical in respect to function and fit (although the smoothbore barrel doesn't do much for accuracy with pellets).

And- Welcome to AirGunHome.com!

Silver Dak · Member

I must say if your looking for a great realistic looking pistol that is fun to shoot.. Crossman T4. I just bought one and LOVE it!!

Pelletor · New Member

Thanks very much for the replies!

Oh I almost forgot.... The trigger pull is way high and a long travel distance too ...almost run out of breath as I "squeeze" of a shot....

@ thepaladin
I have been "protecting" 3 bird feeders from squirrels and had just about had them trained to feed only on the ground below the feeders when the targeting went crazy. At first they were eating the feeders too and had also chewed their way into the storage box on my deck where the bird food was kept. When that happened I killed 3 of them on 3 separate occasions using only BB's.

And I think, I too, am off pumpers now!

@ AirGunEric
I would be happy to erase my post and repost it elsewhere if you like? Being new here I don't want to go against protocol. The reasoning I used is if another newbie did a search for "newbie" that search would find at least two topics covered under this post.

The 1st two pumps are relatively easy...

Thanks for the pdf file... I do like to tinker and have that pdf and the owner's manual pdf too. Sadly because of my ignorance of all things airgun related when I bought the 2100 I only recently realized it was a smooth bore ....Geeeees! So I'm thinking maybe I should move up to an inexpensive rifled shooter.

But that means deciding what kind hence one of my questions about "springers" in my 1st post....but now I'm reading about how important it is to have the exact right weight pellet for them. Not too light or too heavy to do no harm to the gun! Is that difficult to do? Sigh! So maybe I'm back to a CO2 or compressed air shooter?

My ignorance has diminished but only by a little.....

@ Silver Dak
I had mentioned shooting "expert" with several weapons but the pistol was not one of them. My very brief expose shooting a .45 was kneeling next to an empty 55 gal metal drum where each shot was a LOUD reverberating explosion... at least that's the excuse I've used to explain my poor marksmanship with that hand gun.

Pelletor ( Bob C.)

thepaladin · Senior Member

Pellet weight is important with any air gun. Lower power requires less weight. if you are killing squirrels and want a co2 I'd sugest you consider the RWS 850. It's available in .177 or .22, I'd use the .22 for anything bigger than squirrel (I'd use the .22 for squirrel, but if squirrels as big as you plan to go the .177 will probably do). There are several entry level springers depending on how much you want to spend. I'm sure everybody here is ready with threir own favorite suggestion Smile

. Give us an idea of what you want to soend, and you'll get "scads" of ideas.

cliffspot · Veteran Member

...pneumatics and CO2 guns are noisier than springers...usually. Because the 'gas' guns let out such a large amount of pressure so fast, they create a lot of noise. Get a B26 and you will be happy, good power, good accuracy, and affordable; quicker second shot and less maintanence. Plus pumping is only going to increase your heart rate the more shots you fire and that doesn't help your hitting ability!

thepaladin · Senior Member

I don't know. i find my magnum springers to be pretty loud. i have in the past gotten with my neighbors to let them know I'm "only" shooting air guns. Some springers crack as much as a rimfire. my co2s are very quiet.

Rogerflat · Silver Status Member

For the most part springers are pretty quiet. Sometimes they will get loud, not sure why though, even if they are subsonic. Usually they make a subltle "DOINK" sound and not a loud cracking noise. What's nice is that springers don't really sound like guns, not even like pellet guns. CO2 guns sound like pellet guns, they are not THAT loud, but they do have a recognizable pellet/bb gun sound. My PCP makes a hell of a noise. It cracks and has a metallic clang which is very conspicuous.

I usually do a trick I learned from the movie "Enemy at the Gates". The russian sniper waited for shells to explode and then simultaneously fired on german soldiers. What I do is wait for loud cars or trucks or helicopters to pass by and then I fire. The background noise drowns out the shots. Not that my neighbors care or could do much about it anyway, but I like to keep things on the downlow whenever possible.

broommaster2000 · Moderator