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Midichlorian · Veteran Member

Hi Forums.
I recently got my Crosman Quest 800 and really want to upgrade to the GRT-III trigger i hear so much about.
I found a website they sells um for $30

http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-III%20Trigger%20New.htm

Its the GTX gen 3.

So here are my questions.
Im really a NOOB!!
and scared sh*tless to take my rifle apart.
The install guide posted on their site is really scary to me
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/GTX/GTXinstall.pdf

Then it says disassembly is not required like on the picture.
Im really confused.
I want to upgrade but from the looks of that pic I will probably destroy my rifle.
If there a easier way to install,and advice info etc you all can offer.

Also is trigger blade the same as trigger.
Im confused as when you add to card it says GTX trigger blade.

Slavia · Moderator

Three screws and the action is out of the stock. One back by the trigger, and two on either side of the forearm. There is a metal collar with two "ears" around the hole where the rear screw goes in - it may stay with the stock, or it may lift out with the action. Just make sure it's accounted for.

"Trigger" and "trigger blade" are the same thing. The word "blade" is probably used to distinguish that one part of the whole trigger mechanism from things like the trigger sear, trigger strut, trigger spring, etc. It is the blade that you'll be replacing.

To get the trigger out, just pry off one of the "E" clips for its pivot pin and pull the pin out. You don't have to remove the clips from both sides - just one. Maybe hold a towel around it to catch it if it snaps loose. There will be no nasty surprises inside - nothing to come loose or move out of adjustment. When you put the pin back in, snap the "E" clip in place with a pair of pliers.

That's it - three screws to get the action out of the stock, and one fastener to make the swap.

Midichlorian · Veteran Member

After watching a few youtube vids and your reply I almost think I feel I can do it.
But the "E" clips make me nervous.
All the rest seem easy enough.

My wafe is in the back of me telling me ot to order the grt and I will mess up my gun.
But I REALLY want to feel the difference a awesome trigger makes.

Buy again when I watch the video tutorials the "E" clips part is just not shows in debth..

Slavia · Moderator

You can do this.

An "E" clip is just a springy "E" shaped clip that snaps in and out of a groove in the end of a pin. It rests against the inside of the groove at three places. It takes very little force to get it to snap on or off. Its job is to prevent the pin from sliding out of place.

Hold a towel around the area when you pry it off, just in case it snaps off and goes flying. If you do lose it, take the pin down to an automotive parts store and for a few cents you'll find a clip that fits.

Midichlorian · Veteran Member

Man that`s really cool of you Slavia.
I really think I can do this now.

One quick question will this void my Crosman 1 year warranty.
If so if my gun breaks can I put the old trigger back without then knowing?

AirGunEric · Site Admin

Any disassembly of the rifle invalidates the warranty.

If the rifle is firing A-Ok right now except for the trigger issue (not technically a fault/defect, just that it isn't a great trigger setup)- about the only "warranty" issue that might come would be if the spring snapped for some reason- so I don't think you have alot to worry about even if the warranty is invalidated. Of course with the multiple returns you've had so far- perhaps you should shoot it a bit more before installing the new trigger to be sure something isn't defective that you haven';t yet noticed...

Slavia · Moderator

Midichlorian · Veteran Member

So if the spring breaks they will look at the trigger,and not cover the spring?

Slavia · Moderator

I don't know the answer to that, only that there would be evidence of alterations that could void the warranty.

Besides, if you were to break another spring, it might be time to learn some new skills and replace it with a Macarri spring.

Midichlorian · Veteran Member

I just ordered it,could not resist.

Midichlorian · Veteran Member

never mind I got it installed wooo!!

packrat · Senior Member

Well after shooting 5 shot groups where 3 shots could be covered by a quarter but the other 2 shots are 1 an inch and a half to the left and an inch low, and the other shot 2 inches high and way off to the right....I have decided that it IS NOT all me..I 've put about 800 rounds through my Storm XT, and have learned a lot about breathing, and the proper hold, etc.etc. So, doing my part, and having 1 or 2 shots just be outrageously off target, I'm thinking the trigger is my problem After reading the posts in this thread, and the pictures, am confident I can change it out w/no problem. Just now ordered the GRT-III from CharlieDaTuna. Once again I have this site to thank for all the help!!!

AirGunEric · Site Admin

I really wish people would order the GTX II trigger through Airguns of Arizona- it is the unit designed and built by Steve Woodward. I'm sure Bob Werner ('Charliedatune') is a great guy and all, but his claims of "copies" of "his" unit out in the world are starting to grate on me a bit- he did not design or invent the triggger- he and Woodward were partners a number of years ago, Werner decided to go his own way- and somehow has decided he should take all the credit for a design he merely played salesman on.

-ok, rant mode off-

It just rankles me that outright fabrication put across as "marketing" is somehow acceptable, and the person doing it sees financial rewards.

packrat · Senior Member

Well, I certainly agree with your feelings about that..however I did not order the II...I ordered the GRT-III. If it (the III) is just an improved version of the II, then the question of ethics is still in play. Being new here, I have to say that this is the very first I've read of any "questionable" action concerning this trigger. I have , however, read about LOTS of folks singing the praises of the unit sold by CharlieDaTuna. I was simply taking the advice of others.........

fritz · Silver Status Member

That's because they are the same trigger. The difference is in ethics.

I can't comment on the ethical part because I don't know the REAL story. We all know that two people can never tell the same tale.