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Air Gun Home Forum Index » The BS Topic » The right to kill burglars Goto page 1, 2  Next    View previous topic :: View next topic  The right to kill burglars   Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:47 pm Alstone Moderator & Site Supporter Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 4139 Location: Linconshire, ENGLAND We in the UK now have the right to kill burglars or anyone entering your property to do you harm. A while ago a farmer living in an isolated farm house was plagued with trespassers and thieves, so he used to sit on the stairs at night with a shot gun, one night two burglars entered the farm intending to steal anything they found, the farmer blew the first one off the stairs and killed him the other ran away. The farmer got sent to prison but was released after a petition was got up supporting what he had done, now the Home Secretary ( The top government lawyer) has said no one will go to prison for defending his property even it the trespasser is killed. The only thing is you have to stab him or her in the front not the back, so if you chase him down the road you must overtake him and stab him in the chest. So it open season on burglars in the UK now. So far this year it’s three dead by knifing and one with a baseball bat. Happy Days!!! Al _________________   Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:18 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6910 Location: "Out There" Hopefully puts a bit of a damper on crime! It's almost surprising this sort of thing has taken as long as it has- with all this concern with "security" the last 10 years, you would almost have expected this to have come out sooner. _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:56 pm Alstone Moderator & Site Supporter Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 4139 Location: Linconshire, ENGLAND AirGunEric wrote: Hopefully puts a bit of a damper on crime! It's almost surprising this sort of thing has taken as long as it has- with all this concern with "security" the last 10 years, you would almost have expected this to have come out sooner. For many years you could only use “reasonable” force to defend yourself, and many people were sent to jail for manslaughter because they hit the burglar to hard and killed him. And as you say it took many, many years of argument to get the courts to accept that an ordinary house owner did not know how hard to hit someone to knock them out, and they were frightened of using to much force in case they killed the burglar. So now it has been decided that you can use any amount of force to neutralise the attacker. Someone has at last seen the light and ignored the human rights crowd. Al _________________   Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:21 pm WhitleyStu Veteran Member Joined: 15 Feb 2011 Posts: 202 Location: NE Indiana U.S.A. Our castle doctrine laws vary from state to state. Here in Indiana you can shoot to kill from anywhere on your porperty if you feel your life or some one elses life is at risk. The last time I read Illinois castle doctrine laws you could only shoot from inside the home and not from a porch or garage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine   Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:46 pm broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands It changed here too, finally. We're not allowed to own guns, but we are allowed to "defend" ourselves against burglars. I have plenty of crap laying around I can smack someone unholy in the face with. _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:12 pm sniper Silver Status Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 3752 Location: Star, Idaho broommaster2000 wrote: It changed here too, finally. We're not allowed to own guns, but we are allowed to "defend" ourselves against burglars. I have plenty of crap laying around I can smack someone unholy in the face with. Yup that's my bedside golf club and kitchen door basball bat. Now, they should make the reward for killing these nimrods free movie tickets or something. _________________ I believe in gun control, If there's a gun around I want to be controlling it.......   Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:34 am broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands I don't really agree with the killing, to be honest. I'm sure a lot of those guys make really decent sh!t shovelers. _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:10 pm Jr. Squirreler Veteran Member Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 419 Location: New York That makes a lot of sense. If someone enetrs your home to steal your belongings, and possibly physically assault you, You should have the right to defend yourself. Maybe not by blowing them off of the steps with a Shotgun!, but with a Pistol of something in smaller Caliber. I know I wouldnt want to clean Blood Splatter off of my walls!   Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:40 pm WhitleyStu Veteran Member Joined: 15 Feb 2011 Posts: 202 Location: NE Indiana U.S.A. Jr. Squirreler wrote: You should have the right to defend yourself. Maybe not by blowing them off of the steps with a Shotgun!, but with a Pistol of something in smaller Caliber. I hope you are joking about not using a shotgun (my anti-theft device of choice).   Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:04 pm Alstone Moderator & Site Supporter Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 4139 Location: Linconshire, ENGLAND Pistols are banned here so it's between a knife and a shotgun, it makes the choice simpler. Al _________________   Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:05 pm sniper Silver Status Member Joined: 28 Nov 2008 Posts: 3752 Location: Star, Idaho 2 3/4" # 4 buckshot. Nothin' beats it for the house. well, aside from 185 grain .45 gold dots. _________________ I believe in gun control, If there's a gun around I want to be controlling it.......   Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:03 pm 1377x Member Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Posts: 38 Location: upper midwest usa here in minnesota,usa the only way you can defend your home is if the intruder has a gun but we are trying to change that after several home invasion homicides   Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:38 am broommaster2000 Moderator Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5714 Location: City of Groningen, Groningen, The Netherlands Do you guys think an Olympic rifle will break a skull? _________________ BIG GAP   Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:49 am oddtodd Silver Status Member Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 2029 Location: Richmond, IN USA Depends on how hard you swing it broom. DOn't want to mess up those pretty sights though. I think I would rather use a scope for accuracy though. I need to make sure that the parallax is right. EDIT: I got my swords yesterday FINALLY. Slice dice and julienne! _________________ Airguns: Two starlings talking "Larry, did you hear that? Larry?? LARRY!!!!"   Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:44 am Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA Quote: Do you guys think an Olympic rifle will break a skull? I put two duct tape squares on the floor 10m apart. I stand on one, and then all I have to do is convince the burglar to stand on the other. Quote: here in minnesota,usa the only way you can defend your home is if the intruder has a gun but we are trying to change that after several home invasion homicides Which essentially means "O.K., Mr. burglar, the law requires me to leave now so you can be alone to take all my stuff. Your career choice is protected by law." A few years ago when the "shall issue" carry permit law went into effect the naysayers were predicting things like "wild west" shootouts in the public library. The exact same arguments are being resurrected against "castle doctrine" laws. I go to the library a lot, and I'm still waiting for the "High Noon" scenario to happen. It probably won't happen, since the crime rate has been on a steady decline since the carry law went into effect (after years of increase). _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego! 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