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Air Gun Home Forum Index » General Air Gun Questions and Topics » Let There Be No Confusion -    View previous topic :: View next topic  Let There Be No Confusion -   Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:33 pm Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA This morning I stopped at Cabela's, and also at the local farm/fleet outlet. Both had Beeman P17's. The frames were labeled "Beeman P17." The blister packs were labeled "Model 2006." The instruction leaflet was titled "Marksman 2004." Shakespeare must have had one when he wrote the "a rose by any other name" line. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:17 pm AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" Ha Ha. I had someone ask me about that a couple days ago- and all I could determine was that Beeman decided to sell a copy of a copy of its own gun and discontinue the Marksman version (the P17 was the Marksman 2004, which was a copy of the Beeman P3). So- WTF is Beeman doing??? And for anyone not aware of it, Beeman and Marksman are the same company these days... _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:28 am cw Banned Joined: 10 Feb 2008 Posts: 1771 The P17 that I bought ca Last edited by cw on Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:40 pm; edited 1 time in total   Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:21 am Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA So here it is, two months later. Today I found the P17 (marked as such) in a blister pack labeled "Beeman Sportsman Series" and "2004K." Where it used to be packaged with a red dot sight, now it has safety glasses and Beeman "special coating" pellets. They need to consider taking the Alice B. Toklas brownies off the menu in the corporate lunchroom. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego!   Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:53 am AirGunEric Site Admin Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 6930 Location: "Out There" I think everyone is "cheaping out"- economy goes a bit southward, sales drop and everyone starts trying to find ways to make a few more bucks- typically raising prices and/or eliminating features/add-ons. Not sure why more companies can't seem to handle losing 10% of their sales without getting wet pants. "Shareholder return" is the common scapegoat. Problem is- when they don't sell anything because they cheaped out- the "shareholder return" drops to less than zero! _________________ ` I'd say "I care." But I'd be lying. Canadian Airgun Supplier: http://www.scopesandammo.com/storefront   Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:23 pm thepaladin Senior Member Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 930 Location: TN USA Companies change hands, repetative models get discontinued, existing stock has to be sold. Thus we get this kind od situation. All I can suggest is watch for a good price, once all this shakes out, it'll go back up to the highest water mark. _________________ "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)   Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:38 am Slavia Moderator Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 4382 Location: Waseca, Minnesota, USA Beeman/Marksman isn't the only one that is confused. Here is a review on the "Crosman 2004" (the mistake is mentioned in the first post): http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews68571.html They give it a "thumbs down," but if you look to the same source for a review on the Marksman 2004, it gets a "thumbs up": http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews71014.html So make sure you don't buy a gun that doesn't exist. _________________ ¡Listo! ¡Apunte! ¡Fuego! Let There Be No Confusion -     Air Gun Home Forum Index » General Air Gun Questions and Topics You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum All times are GMT - 5 Hours   Page 1 of 1   All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First  Select a forum Main Forums----------------AirGunHome Q&AGeneral Air Gun Questions and TopicsPicture GalleryTarget Shooting: Casual, Fun and CompetitionHunting, Pest Control, Varminting People/Events/Airgun Issue Discussion----------------Introduce YourselfThe BS TopicClubs/Events/Regional/Political Airgun Issues Maintenance, Modification and Reviews----------------RiflesPistolsAntique, Collector and Novelty AirgunsBB GunsPellets/AmmoOpticsAccessoriesAirgun Smithing Buy, Sell or Trade Forums----------------For SaleWant to Buy   Note: If you are seeing "Please enter your username and password to log in." Your browser cookies have been reset or you need to register to access the topic in question. Use the 'Register' button near the top left of this page. Click Here for AirGunHome.com Main Page Powered by phpBB © 2001-2004 phpBB Group Partial Styling Supplied by Vjacheslav Trushkin Themes Database.