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 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:20 pm |
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| kodiakdan |
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| Been looking at alot of rifles online lately. See where the .22 trail xp's are rated at 1100 fps. Is that for real? Anyone ever shoot one through a crony to see? I cant hardly believe they would be that fast with ammo of normal weight. Seems like about all the rifles I have seen tested on youtube always fall short of advertized velocity. At this point I'm thinking I might as well save up and buy something not made in china with a gas piston like an HW-90. Kind of want to try a .25 caliber anyway. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:24 am |
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Maybe with alloy pellets and dieseling going on.
Still, the 1100 is a good 20+ ft-lb muzzle energy gun, I believe.
You'd never want to shoot a pellet at 1100 fps or it would likely tumble. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:57 am |
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| kodiakdan |
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Kind of what I was thinking too. Dieseling might be the thing too. If they are made in china they probly put 30 weight in the chamber to keep it from rusting on the way over. 
These might solve the tumbling issue, but then again, as heavy as they are probably wouldnt go that fast either.
http://mrhollowpoint.com/6722.html |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:52 am |
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| The 'XL' in .22 shoots around 875-900fps using standard 14.3gr pellets. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:01 pm |
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| Still a very decent gun. I have a .22 Titan nitro piston gun that doesn't shoot as hard as the trail, but still kills things dead with a very authoritative SMACK on impact, sounds like a baseball hitting a dove or rabbit. I've heard the Trail XP doesn't boast the same accuracy however because the extra juice makes it want to shoot crazy. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:10 pm |
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| toadmyster223 wrote: |
| ...I've heard the Trail XP doesn't boast the same accuracy however because the extra juice makes it want to shoot crazy. |
More likely the pellet being used- there are some heavier pellets (i.e. 21 grain units from H&N) that are meant almost exclusively for hunting and they do not tend to do well in sub-20fpe rifles based on my experience, so I would take an educated guess they would work fairly well in guns like the XL (or its predecessor, the Benjamin SuperStreak) and such. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:13 pm |
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| I suffer from anxiety when it comes to spring guns and heavy pellets :P |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:55 pm |
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| robert w |
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| without a crony i was gonna say about 800 with cphp's |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:13 am |
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| toadmyster223 wrote: |
| I suffer from anxiety when it comes to spring guns and heavy pellets :P |
I try different weights in a springer until I find peak power output, using a chronograph. I figure the more power into the pellets, the less energy waste and related wear/shock inside the gun...kind of like setting up a transmitter where you match impedance to the antenna to minimize the standing wave ratio that heats up the amp.
Too little pellet weight, and the piston slams forward. To much and it bounces too much. Either way, power output is lost, and the gun takes more of a beating inside.
I usually find the "happy" weight shoots the smoothest. My RWS 34 like 17-19 grain pellets. Next step then, is going for the most accurate in the weight range the gun seems to like best. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:47 am |
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| Seems like about all the rifles I have seen tested on youtube always fall short of advertized velocity |
When they do the testing they probably use super light pellets so their velocity claims can be held truthful. That doesn't mean they will be the most accurate, or even good for the gun. On the other hand, if you calculate the kinetic energy of a light pellet at advertised velocities vs. a "normal" pellet at measured velocities they will probably be in the same ballpark. Not exactly the same (as Radar indicated), but close enough to indicate the performance range of the gun.
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| I suffer from anxiety when it comes to spring guns and heavy pellets |
The debate over heavy pellets and spring damage surfaces every now and again. I've seen supporting evidence on both sides. In my own experience, I have had two broken springs - one in a Crosman G1, and the other in a Mendoza RM577 (both .177). I shoot 10.5 grain pellets in the G1, and 9.3 grains in the Mendoza. (Heavy, but not extremely so.) The replacement springs have been going strong for several years now, so I can't say if it was pellet weight or simply poor initial quality that caused the failure. In any event, I'll continue to use the pellets they like, and for $15-$20 I can fix them if they break.
Then there is my wimpy .177 B3-2, which likes 12.8 grain pellets. Who knows about that one. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:33 pm |
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| For a rule of thumb, I just multiply advertised velocity by 0.8 for normal pellet weights. It's loose, but kind of "ballparks" most of them. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:01 pm |
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| and as i always say P.B.A.= piston breaking alloys |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:18 am |
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| Kind of surprised someone hasn't chanllenged the industry with some kind of lawsuit in the respect that advertized velocities arent the same as when you get the gun home and try it out. I quess I would be happy to at least know what ammo was used to get the FPS data in advertisements. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:04 am |
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| toadmyster223 |
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I hear the regular Trail is much better than the NP XL. I have a plain Benjamin Titan, and it carries sufficient energy to at least 50 yards as I have confirmed to kill rabbits and fat doves with accuracy you can depend on. The regular Trail has the same guts as far as I know.
EDIT: I did not realize this was an old topic when I posted this. Lol. It's late. |
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| donwalk |
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to not worry much about velocity from any rifle.
my NP trail, in 22, hits HARD and kills what i hit with it...
it likes the 18 grain JSBs |
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